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World Oilfield Forum
I was curious to get some peoples opinion on why the Drilling Consultants and Engineers for operators on a wellsite treat Mud Loggers/Logging Geologist like the step child of operations in this industry? Loggers get no respect but the minute a well is off track and or a casing seat, coring point, etc. etc. comes up they refer to the mud loggers for the necessary information to take the next necessary measures needed for the well, whether it be for the mud program, directional concerns, or just to figure out if they need to change out the bit due to the formation. Don’t you think that this behavior is something that isn’t really needed in an industry amongst professionals? So why is it, that we are still treated this way when a mud logger usually spends a majority of their time on the wellsite away from family and friends?
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Patterson on It goes way back. Used to be mudloggers were degreed geologists. usually the only one around that had been to
college, & they had a tendency to talk down to the hands. now days Im pretty sure its cause most loggers (or the ones Ive worked with the last 10 years) aint got a freakin clue.
Permalink Reply by Darryl W. Maddox on I think it boils down to a lack of knowledge and the wrong attitude.
You can't blame the young loggers for lack of knowledge - even if they have a geology degree their curricula have been made so abstract and compact they didn't have time to learn anything, just memorize stuff and pass the tests. And they lack the years of experience on rigs where they will learn what they need to know to earn some respect. Then there is the matter of attitude - how many young loggers really want to be mud loggers? Aren't most of them just doing this until they get an office job? And how many of them know how to "work"?
As for the older loggers, I've known too many with the wrong attitude. For them mud logging is an easy way to make a minimal living without having to bath too often, keep a neat office, or be under someones direct supervision 8 hours a day.
When I started I had a great formal education but knew nothing about anything practical. The only thing I had going for me was attitude. I love looking at rocks. More than one company man has told me I was full of "stuff" but then they turned around and said that they kept me around because I was "alright" which I assume ment I was willing to learn and do anything I could to keep the data stream flowing.
And the last piece of the puzzle - Do they think they really need a mud logger? And if so, how badly do they need one? I think most have worked with incompetent and or lazy mudloggers to the point they think they really don't have to have you, you may even be more trouble than you are worth to them, and therefore you aren't worth a lot of money. And just try to convince an accoutant or petroleum engineer you're worth more than they are currently paying. It can be done but it is difficult. And most loggers I know don't care about making alot of money.
The day I met the company man for whom I generally work he said "Your job is to get the moring report in by 6 am, other than that stay out of my way, keep your mouth shut, and if you just have to do something else keep that geologist off my phone. I have a hole to drill and no time to mess with you two." Some years later my proudest moment was when he turned to me and said - This well isn't for beginners, it's a big boy well and that's why your here. You're my mudlogger. From now on if I am on a location you will be too if I have anything to say about it." Forget the degrees in geology and physics and the years in the office and classroom - I was 63 years old and that's the day I graduated. I now have my own company and and I still log for him most of the time. Obviously I leaned a lot in a few years and but in many ways I am still a "worm". I just happen to love getting paid to look at rocks, reading about geology, and trying new technologies to see if I can figure out a way to get him information he needs and otherwise would not have.
Right on Darryl attitude attitude ,I teach,or did teach my young loggers to be respectful, interested,and enthusiastic about their jobs and aware of others worth ,as stated above also the additude of degrees geologists was atrocious ,I started out in Kansas there were no loggers just we old time geologist we did it all we were good and we were bad then I wanted to travel a divorce will do that for you so I went into well-site geology and mudlogging it AINT for everyone but I loved it till this day now Im an operations pogue(geologist) but I treat my young ,old,and new mudloggers with respect and demand that they are involved as to those old time company - men just like you Darryl I showed respect and a proper attitude and it showed ,I've worked for major companies as a mudlogger,well-site geologist, consultant ,prospect geologist , and operations and completions geologist. Let me tell ya guys if you are a good logger and want to be where your at and want to learn your geologist will take note, we all look good and it is appreciated no end .
Permalink Reply by Lerret on Engineers are fixated on cost...lower the cost. Rock hounds are seen as impediments to that purpose. It never once occurs to an engineer that the purpose is to FIND oil in economic quantities. They think the purpose is to drill the deepest cheapest posthole to brag to their buddies about. I have met one true Engineer in my life. His name was Bob Dodd of OKC, and he understood WHY you drill wells...
Permalink Reply by Darryl W. Maddox on And why are engineers fixated on costs? Because they get promoted and rewared for saving money. Start rewarding them for the quality of the hole (and how you measure that I'll leave to someone else) instead of how much they save and they will start focusing on how to get a better hole instead of a cheaper hole. You can't blame them for doing what they are rewarded for doing.
Amen Darryl
Well its getting better in some places make your self indispensible talk to your MWD and DD as much as possible, keep your Company-man updated and walk around meet the hands be knowledgable and courteous , Years ago some of the loggers (some I said) stayed drunk and hidden and unapproachable to the rest of the contractors,not all but some and it gave loggers a bad name --- been there I just put my best foot forward and was likable heck I used to help the Derrickhand change screens and was available it changed everything and I was the Well-site and Operations Geologist ,but I started out mudlogging and loved it and it shows ,hang in there , my loggers are the best they are interested in learning they ask questions they are in contact with the other hands and it works great for us onsite and in the office.Scotty
Permalink Reply by Matt (catfish) Fischer on Because Drillers teach theyr children, i.e. roughnecks that we are lazy, movie watchers and most of all nutz, this stays with them forever!
Yes it's all the above.
When you're on a job in a trying enviroment, there's only one way to get out from behind
the 8ball. You work your way out. Prove your worth. Don't try to talk your way
into good graces. Keep your mouth shut unless you have something directly related to the job, then speak up. Turn a good job and let your job speak for itself.
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